"If you succeed and go to Brussels, will you be staying there for quite a while? Will Jobbik have to do without you next year?"

"I haven't thought about that yet. When the leader of Jobbik came to see me a year ago, and asked me to head the party's List of Candidates for EP posts, the reason I said yes was that if everything that has been going on for years continues, Hungary will slip down into a colonial state. The European Parliamentary elections offer a good opportunity to stand up for the value system I believe in."

"Does István Dósa's denial of the Holocaust fit into your value system? After all, until last autumn, he was the commander-in-chief of the Hungarian Guard, which was founded by Jobbik."

"I presume it was not accidental that he left the Guard, there must have been similar problems in the background. The Hungarian Guards that I am acquainted with have never made statements like that. But I don't completely understand these questions, as I am not a member of the Hungarian Guard. However, I can't say I mind that at demonstrations, where earlier the police had no qualms about shooting people in the eye, now with their appearance, the Guards make it clear that they won't put up with being treated like that, and that there is strength on our side, too. I see nothing wrong with that, especially since I wrote the first studies in defence of victims of such crimes. This aspect of crime hasn't been taken seriously, all that has been spoken of up till now are the perpetrators' rights. What we can see now is the Latin-American model, in which a small economic elite buys safety for itself, employs armed guards, lives in closed residential estates, and the remaining few million people don't count. Today crime prevention is considered a personal matter, of no concern to the state."

"And by operating its own Guard, Jobbik is actually giving its approval."

"No it isn't. It is in our European Union programme that we believe in the necessity of national crime prevention and criminal prosecution, and it's worth looking at other European examples, for citizens are not so vulnerable and defenceless in other parts of Europe. The European Union is also about this kind of cooperation. Thus, the role of the Hungarian Guard is symbolic. With its presence in the villages, it is telling the victims of criminal offenses, and the numerous potential victims, that they are not alone."

"And to the public opinion in the West, you're saying Fascism - with its uniform and flags - is gaining ground here in Hungary."

"It's high time someone informed the Western press that the Árpád House Flag is not Fascist, it's a Hungarian historic symbol that was also used in one of the dark chapters of the country's history, but that doesn't mean Hungarians don't have the right to hold it up high. As a member of the European Parliament, I'd be happy to take on the task of informing the press about this."

"So Fascism is a dark chapter of history, and you agree that it should be condemned?"

"Yes, and if the Western press calls people Fascist, when in fact they are not at all Fascist, well that's their problem. I don't have a high opinion of the Western press anyway, for they remained silent when, in 2006, dozens of people became disabled for life due to police terror. That's when they should have protested against violence in long articles. The Hungarian Guard has never hit anyone in the face, they've never threatened people with physical abuse."

"But you were the one who said that if someone sees a Free Democrat in the street, they should go up to them and tell them how much they despise them."

"And what's wrong with that? The Free Democrats have been terrorizing the country for quite some time. It was the Free Democrats who decided most recently that there wouldn't be early elections where everyone could have expressed their opinion inside the polling booth, in an organised way. Instead, they placed a goose thief (translator's note: In 2003, Hajdú-Bét, an agricultural concern owned by Wallis, collapsed and many goose farmers went bankrupt. Gordon Bajnai, the new Prime Minister, was a top executive of Wallis at the time. Morvai is referring to him as the goose thief) at the head of the country just to avoid all this. Why shouldn't we be able to go up to them in the street and ask them straight out, in the name of the whole nation, just what they think they're doing."

"Because encouraging people to do that might be incitement against the community. In any case, the Free Democrats made charges against you for that."

"As a criminal expert, I would never encourage anyone to commit a criminal offence. There is no moral or legal obstacle to anyone giving their opinion, especially if the person they address is a politician."

"And is there no moral obstacle to the vice-chairman of Jobbik talking about "Roma breeding farms"?"

"If you wish to make an interview with him, then go and speak to him. I do not have a function in Jobbik, I'm not even a member of the party. I thought we would talk about our European programme, not about the expressions that Csanád Szegedi uses as a grown-up. More and more, you're beginning to resemble Péter Gusztos with your questions. He asked me questions like yours in an open letter. I made it clear for him that I myself did not agree with that turn of phrase. However, I do agree with raising the problem, and that Roma people who have many children should be given work instead of welfare benefits. So I'll say it, and I can say it, for there is no breach of party discipline in my case, but the European Parliamentary elections are more important after all."

"Even if the price is dividing the votes of those who oppose the present government? At least, that's what László Kövér is accusing you of."

"It's quite an ignoble thing for such a significant party as Fidesz to treat voters as if they were idiots. By saying that Jobbik is taking away places from the right, and is thereby endangering the government change, they are acting as if the stakes on June 7th were not about whether there will be one or two representatives of national radicalism in the European Parliament, beside the 11 or 12 or 13 Fidesz MPs. Radicals like us who say that Hungary belongs to the Hungarians, and that we should finally put an end to serving foreign interests."

"Which foreign interests are you talking about?"

"Those that may result in Hungarian arable land going into foreign hands in 2011. Hungarian farmers get one third or one fourth the amount of subsidy that an Austrian or German farmer gets, and foreign food products are just streaming into the country. We have to exploit all possible means of market protection in order to strengthen Hungarian agriculture and the food-processing industry. Also, with a stroke of the pen, we must immediately put an end to taxation that places multinational companies at an advantage. It is absolutely unheard of that a Hungarian producer or entrepreneur cannot start out with equal opportunities."

"Protecting the market is one of Fidesz' aims too, although it's true that they do not have a Guard of their own."

"The voters can decide for themselves if they wish to trust a party that has made promises to protect the Hungarian market and Hungarian arable land, yet is responsible for the development of this unjust situation. They can decide if they can trust a party whose members gave their consent to the adoption of the Lisbon Treaty without having read it first. Of course, I'm glad that Fidesz is becoming more radical because of Jobbik, and that it sees things differently today - so now we can work together to set right all that they have ruined."

"Are those who vote for Fidesz not "one of your kind", then?"

"There are many Fidesz voters who are our kind, and many who are not, for they belong to influential, insider circles. We're talking about people, not parties."

"Then let's get concrete: is Viktor Orbán "one of your kind" or "one of their kind"?"

"I'm not going to categorize every single person just because I wrote a book entitled Our kind. Believe me, I wouldn't define you, or my parents, like that."

"What about your husband, György Baló? Among the radical right, he would typically be considered "one of their kind". In those circles they're always talking about who might be an agent."

"The best thing for the children is when both parents are there for them, but we no longer live together as a couple. We live in the same house, but in two separate households."

"Are you prepared - mentally - for the situation that on the night of the EP elections, your husband will be the reporter who interviews you?"

"As far as I know, Gyuri will not be working on the elections programme, so there's no fear of that happening. Just as no one ever had to fear that because he was my husband, Jobbik would get preferential treatment on public service television. Generally, they apply the technique of keeping silent about our programme, similarly to the majority of press products, including the right-leaning papers. The dominant model is "their kind"."

"We can understand that you criticize the public services, but shouldn't you leave it to the privately owned papers to decide for themselves what they want to write about?"

"This café where we're sitting is also privately owned. If the owner decided not to let Romas enter and justified his decision with the argument you have just mentioned, do you think that would be lawful and acceptable?"

"No."

"I agree, it wouldn't. Similarly, it is just as unacceptable that Jobbik is excluded from the media, with the exception of vilifying the Guard. Mediaworkers who think it is normal to keep quiet about a party (whose support is around 5-6 percent) and its programme should be ashamed of themselves."

"Well, we wouldn't be able to find any information about the programme of the Free Democrats on Echo TV, or in Magyar Hírlap or on Kuruc.info, the internet site of the extreme right."

"Allow me not to celebrate with a bottle of champagne that there are still one or two organs of the media that do not take part in deliberately keeping quiet about Jobbik."

"Is it not possible that Jobbik's programme is simply not serious enough? Even if you go to Brussels, you'll just be one of the 785 members of the European Parliament, and it's not even the most important decision-making body."

"Voting is not the only opportunity a member of the European Parliament has to make changes. They can hold press conferences and form alliances. I have started building such alliances, and have received some promises, for not all Western MPs are happy about the injustice that Hungary has to suffer. Nor do they like it that today, the European Union is a corrupt system in which the lobbyists of multinational companies dictate, and the decisions are made in committees that the voters have no possibility of controlling. When, during the demonstrations of 2006, there were people who were blinded by rubber bullets, the EU remained silent."

"And you think you will be able to change the European Union?"

"If I become an MP, I shall do my utmost to represent that Hungary belongs to the Hungarians."